sometimes when i watch game of thrones i play a little game. i assume the worst.
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(Sorry if this is a duplicate ask, internet’s been pretty flaky) Hi, thanks for your answer on the Tyrell question! Silly question, but do you have any book characters who you are just totally relieved and thankful *didn’t* get put into the TV show, out of concern for how the writers would potentially mishandle them? For me it was Penny, I always thought she was important in discussing the themes of internalised and societal ableism, but I think that’d get REALLY mishandled by the showrunners.
Oh gosh. So many. And not a silly question at all.
Penny’s one of them, for exactly the reasons you mention. A common-born female disabled character? In Game of Thrones? Get out of here! We don’t have time to show how the intersectionality of her class, gender and disability throw Tyrion’s experiences of wealth into sharp relief. Nor do we have time for her resilience to highlight just how awful a person Tyrion’s become over the course of the books. (There can never be too many links to @poorquentyn‘s fantastic Tyrion meta.) Seriously though, aside from the social points Penny’s mere existence in ADWD brings up, to include her in the show would have required the writers to think long and hard about Tyrion’s series arc, not just a season arc. Insofar as Tyrion has season arcs anymore. Much easier to write bro-trips.
Then there’s Jon Connington. I do not think I would have enjoyed seeing D&D’s take on him. Middle aged, conventionally masculine gay man filling a quasi-parental role to the teenaged son of the man he was in love with? That sure sounds like the sort of thing D&D would handle in a sensitive manner. JonCon’s issues with the closet would also need sensitive writing – not that JonCon’s in denial about being in love with a man, but he’s constantly aware that he could never outwardly express his romantic feelings for the man he loved. Compare also his flowery internal monologue over his “silver prince,” always avoiding the language of physical attraction, to Loras’ candid admission that he and Renly looked at porn together. Just going on the treatment of Loras – yeah. Better off not in the show for more than one reason.
Arianne Martell, of course. I’m not a a stan of hers (@gotgifsandmusings, @theculturalvacuum, can we still be friends?) and if I were writing the show I would probably have excised or minimised her plot in order to focus on North/Riverlands/Vale, but we saw how epically the Dorne plot we got was botched. Arianne wants to be the Princess of Dorne. She wants to make Myrcella the Queen of Westeros. She interacts with other female characters and there’s dramatic meat to her relationship with her father. All this makes her the most logical character to cut from any projected Dornish storyline. In all seriousness, she’s well spared the fate that befell her cousins and Ellaria.
Barbrey Dustin’s another character I would have both liked to see and am glad we haven’t seen. On the one hand, she’s really very impressive – a widow controlling a sizeable chunk of land halfway across the region from her birth family and their direct support. She provides crucial manpower and resources to Roose Bolton as he tries to get control of the North, yet has a very low tolerance of Ramsay, and Roose flat out will not allow Ramsay to alienate her further. On the other hand, she’s motivated by an anti-Stark agenda that has its roots in the fact she didn’t get to marry Brandon (or even Ned). I get the feeling that in adaptation we would have seen less of the major backer and more jealous harpy trope.
Honourable mentions go to a lot of Northern ladies, actually. Early on in the series we lost Maege Mormont, ruling lady of Bear Island, and her heir Dacey Mormont, one of Robb’s informal kingsguard. With the absence and murder of a lot of Northern lords and male heirs, ADWD unsurprisingly shows a lot of women step up to the plate. There’s Alysanne Mormont, single mother of two, who helps repel the Ironborn invasion. Wynafryd Manderly, with her father hostage, her uncle murdered, and her mother paralysed by fear, is her grandfather’s anti-Frey co-conspirator. Her little sister Wylla’s in the same mold as Lyanna Mormont of Bear Island, announcing in front of the Freys that they’re a bunch of murderers and their excuses for murder are pathetic. (I still hope we see those two, but I doubt it.) Alys Karstark is having none of this locked-up-until-the-wedding nonsense. These ladies are all clearly too awesome for the show.
Lady Stoneheart! Technically she’s an extension of Catelyn and her arc, but so thematically central to AFFC and onwards. But lacking the initial investment in and exploration of how Catelyn was reacting to the steady destruction of her family, and the non-presence of the Brotherhood Without Banners, Lady Stoneheart would be just a revenge zombie.
There are just so many. Quentyn Martell, whose storyline exists to show how much it sucks to be expendable. The Widow of the Waterfront, who would have improved the middle part of Tyrion’s season five plot immensely. Galazza Galare and the Shavepate. Either Arys Oakheart or Balon Swann to make a point about the cowardice of “just following orders.” Chataya, the anti-Littlefinger in terms of brothel management, and Satin, who despite being unconventionally masculine and a former sex worker with all the prejudice against him that entails is still the best squire Jon Snow can find. (Respect for sex workers, what is that.) Val, who’s clearly not hanging out in Mance’s command tent for decoration. The older Tyrell brothers. Sarella Sand. There’s this paradox – I’m glad they’re not in the show because they don’t get butchered, but their inclusion would demonstrate a greater appreciation for the points GRRM was trying to make when he wrote them in.
And I know we could never have all of them, or even most of them, but so many of them don’t even get to be faces in the crowd, and yet we have time for Olly…
The signs as idiotic adaptational choices by D&D:
aries: Littlefinger marries Sansa off to Ramsay because he also likes to live dangerously
taurus: Loras Tyrell, The Gay Knight Who’s Gay. He has Sex. With Men. Because He’s Gay. He breathes homosexually
gemini: Jaime Lannister engaging in consensual rape lol amirite ladies
cancer: What the fuck even happened in the House of The Undying what hte fukc
leo: Yara Greyjoy running from some barking dogs and a shirtless Ramsay
virgo: *masturbatory, ableist original monologue about beetles which does nothing to further the storyline but takes up 5 minutes of screentime*
libra: The Sand Snakes. Like. All of them. And Ellaria. Actually, Dorne. Like, all of it. Where is Arianne
scorpio: Skeletons and fireballs at Bloodraven’s cave
sagittarius: Talisa
capricorn: Melisandre gets naked to solve a problem that can easily be solved with like, words
aquarius: LeBronn Jaime’s whacky dornish rescue mission
pisces: lol whos Tysha anyway
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I dedicate my lunch break to the VICTOR OF THE WAR OF THE FIVE KINGS what a time to be alive man
Selyse and Shireen
Some snippets (few, but I think we can all agree that GRRM doesn’t bother to write about Selyse often):
Lady Selyse gave him a measured look. “And what will you tell him, Maester? How he might win half a kingdom if he goes to the Starks on his knees and sells our daughter to Lysa Arryn?”
A Clash of Kings, Prologue
“Eastwatch is not safe.” The queen put a hand on her daughter’s shoulder. “This is the king’s true heir. Shireen will one day sit the Iron Throne and rule the Seven Kingdoms. She must be kept from harm.”
A Dance with Dragons, Jon, 44
That brought Wun Wun lurching to his feet. The queen grabbed hold of Princess Shireen and pulled her back, her knights reached for their swords, and Patchface reeled away in alarm, lost his footing, and plopped down on his arse in a snowdrift. Wun Wun began to laugh. A giant’s laughter could put to shame a dragon’s roar. Patchface covered his ears, Princess Shireen pressed her face into her mother’s furs,
A Dance with Dragons, Jon, 44
The queen pulled her daughter closer to her and kissed her cheek.
A Dance with Dragons, Jon, 68
Selyse does:
- blame Robert and Delena (and Edric by proxy) for the fact that she has no sons, saying “Robert and Delena defiled our bed and laid a curse upon our union.” (A Storm of Swords, Davos, 55)
- lament the fact that she has borne no sons, which in a society built upon misogyny and male primogeniture, is not uncommon, and now that she’s a queen, she would feel additional pressure to bear boys.
Selyse does not:
- hate her daughter
- blame her daughter for her lack of sons
- want to beat, maim, or otherwise harm her daughter
I’m not sure where those ideas stem from, but they don’t come from the text. In her interactions with Shireen she’s stern, but displays something that I’d call absent affection. She’s adamant about Shireen being heir, and and wants to protect her always. There’s no indication of resentment towards Shireen on Selyse’s part, and saying that there is is just an attempt to paint with her a very old, very tired brush.
This is not a “Selyse is perfect” post. She’s complicit in a bunch of genuinely awful things and she’s fervent about her religion to the point of fanaticism. (Although, I could make a case for Selyse being more obsessed with Melisandre than R’hllor, but that’s a subject for another day.) I love her, but I of course recognise that she has flaws. But it’s pretty frustrating to see people continue to misrepresent her relationship with Shireen.
Selyse Baratheon isn’t perfect, but she loves her daughter. Thanks for listening.
NB: I don’t mention their relationship in the show because I don’t watch it.
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